I saw how you changed "Dark Side hero" to simply "Villain" on the General Grievous/DICE page. I've been using an unspoken rule that all heroes are referred to as heroes for their respective faction unless in contexts where their affiliations have to be contrasted with each other (e.g. in Heroes vs. Villains). In other words, I write from the pov of the faction that the hero belongs. So to a Dark Side (Separatist) person, General Grievous would be their hero. Hence Grievous would be a Dark Side hero. But in Heroes vs. Villains, where the line between good guys and bad guys are made explicit, then Grievous would be referred to as a villain on that page.
Since this was an unspoken rule and therefore unofficial (as well as it being nit-picky), I'm open to any thoughts you might have.
I started using the Villain terminology since it accurately described that those characters were on the Dark Side, in less words than before. I also figured that visitors might start getting confused when the Heroes and Villains/DICE page uses the word Villain to describe Dark Siders and Hero to describe Light Siders, but the individual character pages only refer to them as "Heroes".
I understand. In reply, the Heroes and Villains/DICE page does mention in the opening paragraph that they are simply often referred to as heroes (I just edited it adding a few words to better clarify).
The nomenclature regarding heroes and villains is ultimately a systematic issue, since DICE themselves often categorize villains as 'heroes' both in-game and in official marketing, but in terms of press announcements/Community Transmissions refer to them as villains (though in the same announcement when specifically talking about Grievous in-game he is referred to as a 'hero').
Indeed, the official nomenclature has been all over the place. I think that for the wiki to be as formal as it can possibly be, it might be better to use "Villain" on the individual character pages but use "Heroes" when talking about both Villains and Heroes on other pages. The "Villain" distinction uses less words than "Dark Side Hero" and the word implies that the character's allegiance is to the Dark Side. It is also in-line with the mode "Heroes Vs. Villains", a staple game mode of the Reboot games.
Light Side Heroes should be referred to as just "Heroes" (Finn) and Dark Side ones as just "Villains" (Darth Maul/DICE). The prefixes of "Light Side" and "Dark Side" are not necessary before "Hero" or "Villain".
Secondly, I don't think the solution proposed here:
use "Heroes" when talking about both Villains and Heroes on other pages
will actually work because now that there is a distinction between heroes and villains, using the term "heroes" for both will only be more confusing. So I think we'll have to now use "heroes and villains" when referring to both.
Which leads to my third point, which is that although the distinction b/w hero/villain does streamline the flow on the villain pages, it makes a lot of other pages where heroes and villains are referred collectively more wordy, see: Heroes and Villains/DICE, where every time there is a mention of hero, "and villain" has to be added at the end to avoid confusion. If we extrapolate this to other pages where both are collectively are mentioned (having to add "and villains" at the end every time), I think the distinction b/w heroes/villains begins to lose its value.
I do not think that the distinction completely loses its value when talking about both. It clarifies that both Heroes for the Light Side are available, as well as Villains for the Dark Side. In Battlefront I's Hero Hunt, for example, the distinction between the two is necessary. On some maps only Heroes are available whereas on others, only Villains are.
I'd argue the distinction is not actually necessary, something that I've gradually realized when thinking about this topic. It ultimately boils down to the fact that "Heroes" are a class. Hero token, Hero Hunt, Hero Showdown, New Heroes, even just Heroes in the Collection menu. Villains don't have anything different about them from Light Side heroes other than affiliation, and so I offer that it's not actually necessary to use a completely different term to clarify such an ultimately surface-level distinction. Dark Side hero (or any variation of that...Separatist, Galactic Empire, First Order hero) not only immediately conveys affiliation and class type, but that they function/play similarly to Light Side heroes. Using "villain" is just a bit more vague and for readers who might not be too familiar with the game or the terminology we use on the wiki, might read the distinction between "heroes" and "villains" when flipping through say Anakin Skywalker/DICE and Count Dooku/DICE and equate the two different terms to two different styles of play such as those present between the two trooper classes "Assault" and "Officer," when such a drastic difference does not actually exist.
Exactly, thanks for helping try out this change. I'm trying to be as active on the wiki as I can, but sixth form makes it difficult. I'm still working on the map pages. Pipeline Junction West is in the works.
Ah, sixth form in the UK? Well that's very important, I totally understand you putting that first (as you should!). The wiki will always be here when that's over. Given that, I look forward to seeing the map pages fully realized when ever you can get around to it. I'll certainly help out here and there.
Looks good! The only thing I would change is “Galactic Empire hero” to “Imperial hero.” I think this was an issue raised a long time ago and I said it should be “Galactic Empire hero,” but now I don’t see any rationale for that terminology.
I basically organized it in order of Battle Point cost and then, if units cost the same amount, alphabetical order. I have also tightened up the positioning of the units. Previously, the section wasn't using up all of the space it could have, so I decided to have it run in rows of 7 units.
Ah, I see it now. Them being in two rows and the different sizing of the second row between the Naboo page and Kamino page confused me a bit, but I see it now. May I ask, why rows of 7? What size screen do you use to visit the wiki? On my size screen the rows of 7 are a bit too long that a horizontal scrollbar appears in order to see all the units.
I made it rows of 7 because at the time, it was the number that I observed could fit on my screen. My screen is approximately, 11.5 inches vertically by 20 inches horizontally. In fact, on my screen, I've actually just noticed that I could have easily made it rows of 8. I see what you mean about the scroll wheel, it appears on the mobile version and when I make my window smaller. What do you propose?
What I would ultimately propose is to have them in structured rows as seen on Capital Supremacy#Galactic Republic. While some rows are very short (such as the vehicle row), ultimately that would allow the most consistency from map to map. For maps with a lot of vehicles or heroes, we could set a max row size to five. I think that would set a good balance in filling up the page and leaving some extra space so that people on smaller screen sizes can see everything at-a-glance.